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London. Formerly known as New Media. Vegan since 1992.
Comments (8)
  1. Tanya Sitton (reply)

    February 13, 2013 at 04:32

    Hi Ian! I would be so excited for a brain-pickin’ convo about podcast joys, trials, technology, and tribulations… hope it’s ok to get in touch via comments here! Love the show, thanks for doing it — and thanks for donating your podcaster-brain, for the picking. 🙂 Looking forward to visiting with you!


  2. Pierce (reply)

    March 5, 2013 at 07:07

    I think some things you’ve said in previous shows have been annoying, but I’d listen to more none the less

    If I recall correctly, it might have been something in relation to animal minds that I was annoyed by, but i cannot quite recall. Look forward to more shows about nonhuman sentience

    I know you also aren’t a particular fan of The Abolitionist Approach, or Francione in general, and I would be interested in any quantitative research on what kind of advocacy is the most effective or if there’s any other movements with research that we could draw from

    • Ian McDonald (reply)

      March 6, 2013 at 00:27

      Glad you’ll keep listening! Thanks for your comment.

      I’m very interested to know what you found annoying – please do comment on the show page if you’re annoyed again (or remember what annoyed you in the first place).

      The full range of beliefs in the vegan movement should get a fair crack on this show – I’d like to think that whether I’m a particular fan or not shouldn’t be the issue. I’m very grateful to Prof Francione for taking part in the December 2012 show about whether we animals would ever get Peace on Earth. I also got the chance – when I interviewed him – to have a nice chat about his time in the UK.

      The evidence for/against different strategies is a really interesting topic (eg: are welfare reforms a distraction at best? does promoting baby steps help?) and it’s been bounced around here before. I know that Matt Ball and Bruce Friedrich have published an Animal Activists Handbook which they say tries to martial evidence around that; as does Nick Cooney’s book Change of Heart. From memory of interviews alone (ie: without checking) they tend to support promoting “baby steps” and “leaning into” veganism, which makes me ask whether the Abolitionist Approach movement has published a critique or martialled other data. What have you found interesting on that topic?

      I can tell that when the second cats episode is out – hopefully this week – I’m going to have a lot of reading to do :).

  3. Pierce (reply)

    March 7, 2013 at 01:16

    It was something Diana said, FWIW, but I cannot quite remember what it was 😛

    Perhaps I’ll re-listen to the episode to figure what is was, but I’m also not sure if it was said on Vegan Option or on Coexisting With Nonhuman Animals

    • Pierce (reply)

      March 7, 2013 at 01:19

      As far as The Abolitionist Approach goes, I like Francione’s idea of suggesting people go vegan for breakfast, then try going vegan for lunch and eventually going vegan for dinner and everywhere else.

      So it sets the moral stage for veganism from the beginning, but allows the habit to form into something healthy and helpful over a longer period of time

    • Ian McDonald (reply)

      March 7, 2013 at 09:37

      Diana (and, after her, special guests like Erin Red) do offer comment & opinions – and listeners do sometimes disagree with them! For her day job, Diana lectures on the evolution of animal minds (humans included), so she has lots of opinions on that.

      Diana did say that she found part of Prof Francione’s case unconvincing in the Dec 2012 show (but Erin, on the other hand, is a big fan).

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